Understand vision of connecting nounish values to the art but outside using prop house (introducing people to gov) unfortunately do not see justification for such big budget after results of last prop since at the time, i was still not active in governance but saw prop house and did not felt the relationship

not much I can add here but appreciative of willpapper & the Glitch team abstaining on his own props and being receptive feedback

Hey all, the team appreciates the excellent feedback. Very helpful points in the VWRs. I always vote abstain for any prop that I am close to, and I’ll do so here as well. Here are my personal thoughts:
How Nouns interacts with artists will look different from how Nouns interacts with other subcultures. This is because the inclusion of assets such as Noggles may fundamentally change an artist’s message in a way that is different from other subcultures, such as esports or skateboarding.

We didn’t want to place constraints on the artists that we worked with via Glitch. Instead, we wanted to give them creative freedom in carrying forward their Nounish values, which is one of the most unique assets that we can offer. They came up with many incredible works, some of which won funding via Prop House: https://prop.house/0xd7744ae5e63d702e3e9f437943e530fae6c0cb4f

I hear the concerns about more Nounish imagery. Taking a look at the funded works, it’s not obvious how Noggles could be included without changing the message. How do you add Noggles to an ethereal lighting array in a forest that generates abstract images of trees to highlight regenerative ecosystems? Or to performance art about privacy and the human body, or cutting-edge AI generated art where the artist has limited control over the outputs? Some of them would be able to easily support Noggles (e.g. Aminals, which has a variety of generated traits), but a number would not. This looks different from other subcultures, where the Nounish media is the message. Instead, in this case, the Nounish values are the message.

We chose to prioritize giving artists the freedom to create in a way that matched their values over mandating the incorporation of Nounish imagery. Mandating specific imagery would effectively change the works from independent art to a commission with a specific goal. Commissions are wonderful, and Nouns would benefit from more interpretations of Nounish imagery, but it was not the goal of the grant.

These values — privacy, regenerative ecosystems, bleeding edge technology — are undeniably Nounish. I can think of multiple Nouns props in each category that have passed resoundingly. As a result, it feels like there’s a disconnect between Nounish values and Nounish imagery. Something that has Nounish values is Nounish, whether or not it includes Noggles. We wanted to give the artists exposure to these Nounish values, and showed them Prop House and Droposals to help them see the way the DAO worked. They also participated in governance by voting on the Prop House. For many of them, it was one of the few times when they had full creative freedom in a grants process, and offered far more flexibility than a commission that mandated specific imagery. In the process, they came away with an understanding that the values that they already hold align with Nouns as well.

I see that we missed the mark on cross-pollination between the artists and Nouns. Some excellent points came out of this proposal:

• More art should include Nounish imagery. Nounish values are important too, but the imagery is needed to tie the values back to Nouns. Without that, it could have been funded by anyone, and doesn't feel uniquely Nouns.
• Glitch should be more involved in Nouns governance. That will help the DAO see Glitch’s perspective on Nounish values.
• Glitch shouldn’t interact with Nouns in once-a-year prop cycles and some Propdates. Glitch should be present in the conversation day-to-day as a subculture that represents values important to Nouns.

We’re talking about ways to address this and help link Glitch’s Nounish values to Nouns in a deeper way. Thank you for the excellent feedback — it’s very helpful and gives us great points to work with!

Feels more suppliant to the crypto world in general and art as a medium as opposed to Nouns specifically.

I think the voters want to see glitch more aligned with nouns if we're going to continue to fund the group as a nouns subculture. it doesn't necessarily have to be through branding imo, but through some form of participation in the dao (do we still say 'dao?' ...duna?). Vote signaling, sharing past work more with the community, creating something a bit more 'nouns focused' as a group to show the nouns community glitch is considering nouns aside from funding.

p.s. love the glitch vibe and think this group is doing cool work so hope to see them consider voter feedback a bit and come back with another proposal in the future.

Not interested.

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/669/votes

FOR 12 VOTES

pipe da snowman | "Looks legit imo"

AGAINST 39 VOTES

ABSTAIN 2 VOTES

Nouncil has spoken.

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Nouncil has voted Against this proposal, with 2 votes for, 38 against, and 4 abstentions. Thanks for playing Nouns.

FOR - 2 VOTES

borg00000 | "Looks legit imo"

AGAINST - 38 VOTES

benbodhi | "I can't put my finger on exactly what feels off, but the budget is huge and after reading the prop, I wasn't as excited as I'd hope to be with a budget of this size."

ABSTAINS - 4 VOTES

I've been thinking about this prop a lot and want to quote Krel

We support subcultures. Subcultures? Cool, im part of a subcultures, maybe i should ask for a grant. I think this framing can massively speed up our spread and reach. Tell your friend nouns supports subcultures and see them pass on the message. Its broad yet distinct.

I responded saying that I didn't understand this direction. The "tell your friends" part made me feel like we would attract lots of groups that aren't as obsessed with nouns as we all are, and it rubbed me the wrong way to think groups would come to nouns for a check.

Here we are though. GLITCH is a subculture in some way... a group of arty hackers exploring blockchain as a medium. We fund subcultures, but... everyone hates it? I'm seeing tons of negative VWRs here because the team "isn't mentioning noggles enough". To me, I don't see a path to funding 100x subcultures if we expect every one of those subcultures to center nouns around everything they do.

I agree with mono about the long run, although I think now is a fine time to start. GLITCH is not a bunch of squids either, they're talented and deserving as any subculture to get a grant.

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I feel much the same here. This feels to me like a prop from the future, when nouns is absolutely monolithic and can happily fund external communities without tie back to nouns.
I agree it may be due to my lack of connection with glitch that this feels off to me. But also the results of previous engagement probably also have me less excited.
This does feel nounish to some degree, but not in its current form for me. And it’s a pretty hefty budget.

In the long run, I foresee Nouns funding unrelated stuff to the ⌐◨-◨ as a patronage of the arts, public goods, and social impact. Until then, building on ⌐◨-◨ is the only job.

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Skimming this, there's not one noggle or mention in any of the images. I had hopes that the original proposal would produce really creative uses of either the artwork or code (something like what Tigris is up to), but Nouns seems to be an afterthought for everyone involved. Artists are already using blockchains as a medium. Let's see how they can use Nouns as a medium.