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fan of this team, the prop, and ongoing positive impact this funding can have. the compelling and heart warming content/proliferation this will create is the cherry on top.
+1 to listing this project on giveth. they've been doing lots of QF rounds lately that match donations.
Krel's idea of in the future, using large donations as matching donations is a great one too. Going to forward this idea to the Giveth team to see if they think this feature would be valuable to others too:
As a large donor, I want to allocate my funds to a specific project to be used as matching donations at a ratio I define.
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One challenge I can imagine with this is a project gaming it, but Giveth has measures in place to detect this, and at the end of the day it'd be no worse than the status quo of direct donation.
thank you coral and team! <3
warm and fuzzies <3
Great work incorporating Nouner feedback from previous version, Nouncil calls and DMs.
I do think the team can get creative to develop other streams of income by being more onchain and creating more of a presence outside of Nouns. One easy choice is listing on Giveth.
fan of this team, the prop, and ongoing positive impact this funding can have. the compelling and heart warming content/proliferation this will create is the cherry on top.
+1 to listing this project on giveth. they've been doing lots of QF rounds lately that match donations.
Krel's idea of in the future, using large donations as matching donations is a great one too. Going to forward this idea to the Giveth team to see if they think this feature would be valuable to others too:
As a large donor, I want to allocate my funds to a specific project to be used as matching donations at a ratio I define.
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One challenge I can imagine with this is a project gaming it, but Giveth has measures in place to detect this, and at the end of the day it'd be no worse than the status quo of direct donation.
thank you coral and team! <3
Unfortunately, I still don’t believe that this is something that Nouns is uniquely positioned to fund. There are many dollars going to animal welfare and Nouns adding funding won’t make as significant a difference as funding more overlooked areas.
My feedback is the same as v1, reposting:
The challenging thing about charity type props is that even successful ones will struggle to become self-sustaining. There isn't a path to financial self-sustainability -- the whole operation works through donations like donation we'd be giving through this very proposal.
The whole end-game of nouns (in my opinion) is for nouns to be the pinnacle of excellence in certain verticals. It's possible that "charity" could be such a vertical -- maybe nouns is known as one of the great non-profits. But how do we get there? Imo scattering funding to various props makes it challenging for nouns to build up a "brand" around philanthropic work. In order for someone to come and see how much good nouns has done, they'd have to dig through the proposals and see which ones were philanthropic. This added friction makes it challenging for nouns to build up brand.
Here's what I think would be great: as an org, we allocate some % of the treasury to philanthropy. We do this under an arm like "nouns philanthropy" or something that can build it's own brand independent of the larger nouns name. Then, we take from the vrbs dao playbook and set up a grants based stream where different orgs can apply to be listed as an initiative. Token holders can vote on how we should split the philanthropy budget and funding will be streamed to various orgs. This solves the sustainability problem -- as long as we pass an annual proposal to fund the philanthropy arm orgs can continue to sustain themselves as they do good. It also solves the branding problem, because all of nouns philanthropic work is done under one arm that can independently build it's brand and be known for doing good.
I've been skeptical of charity type proposals in the past and since the ask is quite big here my feeling is the same. However, I think nouns shelter is doing good work and if we had some sort of stream based grants program with a % of the treasury budget allocated to philanthropy I would be happy to vote for giving some of that stream to nouns shelter.
TL:DR -- I still think 150K is a big ask, and would like to see all philanthropy type proposals operate under the streaming infra vrbs teams will be building from prop 582
I don't think it's right to repeatedly criticize this proposal over sustainability concerns, especially since many (most) Nouns proposals face similar issues. If the brand scales, hopefully partnership opportunities will follow.
Additionally, Nouns has a built-in mechanism to convert attention into treasury growth. Providing shelters and support for cats and dogs is one of the easiest projects to discuss when sharing the DAO's activities, alongside efforts like quack, deli, and coffee. I believe this project has a good shot at turning the flywheel.
I also want to add that Coral and Sharon have been active in Nouns for almost a year and are, in my experience, wholly dedicated to the Shelter project. They regularly reach out to community members for feedback and collaboration. These are the type of builders we want to support.
Fundamentally agree with willpapper, but since this project is already underway (and seemingly well executed so far), i think its ok to give the team 6 months of additional runway to implement their ideas.
Im not a domain expert here at all, but one model that i think could work is if Nouns Shelter manage to raise funds elsewhere, the nouns treasury could also match those donations. I believe that would be more appealing for nouns to continue to fund (basically bc it puts some market/quality pressure on Shelter) vs paying for the entirety of the operations.
For: 5 | Against: 1 | Abstain: 0
+for — @bixbite
+against — @frog
+for — @yes2crypto.eth
+for — @symbiotech.eth
+for 🐱 🐶 — @0xmonografia
+for , this is a fun, and wholesome proposal by an excellent, hardworking crew with a good heart. Their prior execution is excellent and gives us a rare opportunity to onboard a global army of cat lovers. And who does not love cats? — @bigshotklim
Great work incorporating Nouner feedback from previous version, Nouncil calls and DMs.
I do think the team can get creative to develop other streams of income by being more onchain and creating more of a presence outside of Nouns. One easy choice is listing on Giveth.
Unfortunately, I still don’t believe that this is something that Nouns is uniquely positioned to fund. There are many dollars going to animal welfare and Nouns adding funding won’t make as significant a difference as funding more overlooked areas.
We believe the team has addressed concerns and incorporated feedback well in this current proposal. As mentioned in our previous vote with reason, while sustainability is important, it can sometimes be unrealistic and essentially just smoke and mirrors to get the proposal approved. In some cases, doing good is enough in our opinion. The team has already made a significant impact on many animals' welfare, and with this current proposal, we are happy to support their continued efforts.
from /nounsfe: For: 4 | Against: 0 | Abstain: 2
tori: for! how could you not be for the cats. v1 was amazing and we should continue the project through from what we started
lunari: for - +1 ccarella, this is such a great public good to tell people about :] (love to see that the design files are published, so that anyone can create their own Mini Shelter). we had the chance to talk to Coral, and are confident in this proposal! looking forward to the content production as well
katalyyst: for, +1 sasqwash
onter: Abstain : cats make everyone smile and it's helping with a huge problem of stray cats but I'm not sure how effective this can be. Downside I see is people would feel more comfortable leaving there cats here and knowing they will be taken care of and possibly making more stray cats
The Nouncil has spoken.
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Nouncil has decided in favor of this proposal, with 26 votes for, 4 against, and 5 abstentions. Supporters appreciated the revised budget and project duration, emphasizing the Nounish value of caring for animals. The proposal's focus on China and Southeast Asia, along with the publication of the Mini Shelter design files, was well-received. Despite some reservations, the proposal garnered strong support.
FOR - 26 VOTES
joshuafisher | "we love the animals"
benbodhi | "Supportive of the new budget, caring for animals is nounish."
AGAINST - 4 VOTES
sqx.pcc | *"Sorry, its a me thing.
Seems to have sponsorship. and I wish the team Well."*
ABSTAINS - 5 VOTES
@playdna_ - A collective of individuals collaborating on a mission to make Nouns playable.
PlayDNA is FOR with a 4-0 vote result. See below for our members' votes with reasons:
FOR
TheBower.eth: I would've liked to see a stronger and more detailed sustainability plan. That being said I believe funding these types of props is very much aligned with Nouns mission and I trust this team to keep executing on it. Let's give them a chance to built a successful public good.
joaoborges.eth: I love to see great teams building public goods! I'm voting FOR here. Agree with @TheBower that a more detailed sustainability plan would've been great.
eusoujp.eth: It feels a bit off that the team's compensation is almost the same as the amount allocated to the animals, when it should be considerably lower. However, I'm voting FOR mainly because this is a great story for Nouns to tell. It's nounish, and the team did a great job in the first stage.
FabValle.eth: Fantastic prop! I do also share concerns with the project's sustainability after all the actions.
nom nom safety
Love building the foundation of the program and hopeful it will inspire others to think outside (or in this case inside) the box on ways to provide public goods in a unique way.
I don't think it's right to repeatedly criticize this proposal over sustainability concerns, especially since many (most) Nouns proposals face similar issues. If the brand scales, hopefully partnership opportunities will follow.
Additionally, Nouns has a built-in mechanism to convert attention into treasury growth. Providing shelters and support for cats and dogs is one of the easiest projects to discuss when sharing the DAO's activities, alongside efforts like quack, deli, and coffee. I believe this project has a good shot at turning the flywheel.
I also want to add that Coral and Sharon have been active in Nouns for almost a year and are, in my experience, wholly dedicated to the Shelter project. They regularly reach out to community members for feedback and collaboration. These are the type of builders we want to support.
I don't think it's right to repeatedly criticize this proposal over sustainability concerns, especially since many (most) Nouns proposals face similar issues. If the brand scales, hopefully partnership opportunities will follow.
Additionally, Nouns has a built-in mechanism to convert attention into treasury growth. Providing shelters and support for cats and dogs is one of the easiest projects to discuss when sharing the DAO's activities, alongside efforts like quack, deli, and coffee. I believe this project has a good shot at turning the flywheel.
I also want to add that Coral and Sharon have been active in Nouns for almost a year and are, in my experience, wholly dedicated to the Shelter project. They regularly reach out to community members for feedback and collaboration. These are the type of builders we want to support.
Nouns Shelter is doing incredible work, and we believe this program will signal many real-world opportunities for the DAO overall.
On the side of Cares, we will donate 20 hours a week to Nouns Shelter, offering access to our traditional brand partners to bring in external opportunities and relationships to help advance the mission.
Projects like these show our real-world impact and can attract more people to Nouns. By focusing on tangible good, we strengthen our community and message, creating new opportunities for growth and partnerships.
I don't think it's right to repeatedly criticize this proposal over sustainability concerns, especially since many (most) Nouns proposals face similar issues. If the brand scales, hopefully partnership opportunities will follow.
Additionally, Nouns has a built-in mechanism to convert attention into treasury growth. Providing shelters and support for cats and dogs is one of the easiest projects to discuss when sharing the DAO's activities, alongside efforts like quack, deli, and coffee. I believe this project has a good shot at turning the flywheel.
I also want to add that Coral and Sharon have been active in Nouns for almost a year and are, in my experience, wholly dedicated to the Shelter project. They regularly reach out to community members for feedback and collaboration. These are the type of builders we want to support.
My feedback is the same as v1, reposting:
The challenging thing about charity type props is that even successful ones will struggle to become self-sustaining. There isn't a path to financial self-sustainability -- the whole operation works through donations like donation we'd be giving through this very proposal.
The whole end-game of nouns (in my opinion) is for nouns to be the pinnacle of excellence in certain verticals. It's possible that "charity" could be such a vertical -- maybe nouns is known as one of the great non-profits. But how do we get there? Imo scattering funding to various props makes it challenging for nouns to build up a "brand" around philanthropic work. In order for someone to come and see how much good nouns has done, they'd have to dig through the proposals and see which ones were philanthropic. This added friction makes it challenging for nouns to build up brand.
Here's what I think would be great: as an org, we allocate some % of the treasury to philanthropy. We do this under an arm like "nouns philanthropy" or something that can build it's own brand independent of the larger nouns name. Then, we take from the vrbs dao playbook and set up a grants based stream where different orgs can apply to be listed as an initiative. Token holders can vote on how we should split the philanthropy budget and funding will be streamed to various orgs. This solves the sustainability problem -- as long as we pass an annual proposal to fund the philanthropy arm orgs can continue to sustain themselves as they do good. It also solves the branding problem, because all of nouns philanthropic work is done under one arm that can independently build it's brand and be known for doing good.
I've been skeptical of charity type proposals in the past and since the ask is quite big here my feeling is the same. However, I think nouns shelter is doing good work and if we had some sort of stream based grants program with a % of the treasury budget allocated to philanthropy I would be happy to vote for giving some of that stream to nouns shelter.
TL:DR -- I still think 150K is a big ask, and would like to see all philanthropy type proposals operate under the streaming infra vrbs teams will be building from prop 582
I'd like to see an explicit plan around sustainability going forward.
I love that you came into Nouncil multiple times along with DMing Nouners & Delegates to garner feedback, took that feedback into consideration and came back with a revision. Bullish on saving cats. Meow!
I'd like to see an explicit plan around sustainability going forward.
This budget is easier to support than the last iteration, best of luck. I think helping animals is nounish, and I would love to see better coverage of everything.
Proposals should start looking for sustainable help and not one offs. I respect the effort and the good will and hope I see a further proposal that aims to be more scalable.
This is a public good I can get behind. Way more reasonable ask than the last prop at this time. Also, just respect the efforts.
My feedback is the same as v1, reposting:
The challenging thing about charity type props is that even successful ones will struggle to become self-sustaining. There isn't a path to financial self-sustainability -- the whole operation works through donations like donation we'd be giving through this very proposal.
The whole end-game of nouns (in my opinion) is for nouns to be the pinnacle of excellence in certain verticals. It's possible that "charity" could be such a vertical -- maybe nouns is known as one of the great non-profits. But how do we get there? Imo scattering funding to various props makes it challenging for nouns to build up a "brand" around philanthropic work. In order for someone to come and see how much good nouns has done, they'd have to dig through the proposals and see which ones were philanthropic. This added friction makes it challenging for nouns to build up brand.
Here's what I think would be great: as an org, we allocate some % of the treasury to philanthropy. We do this under an arm like "nouns philanthropy" or something that can build it's own brand independent of the larger nouns name. Then, we take from the vrbs dao playbook and set up a grants based stream where different orgs can apply to be listed as an initiative. Token holders can vote on how we should split the philanthropy budget and funding will be streamed to various orgs. This solves the sustainability problem -- as long as we pass an annual proposal to fund the philanthropy arm orgs can continue to sustain themselves as they do good. It also solves the branding problem, because all of nouns philanthropic work is done under one arm that can independently build it's brand and be known for doing good.
I've been skeptical of charity type proposals in the past and since the ask is quite big here my feeling is the same. However, I think nouns shelter is doing good work and if we had some sort of stream based grants program with a % of the treasury budget allocated to philanthropy I would be happy to vote for giving some of that stream to nouns shelter.
TL:DR -- I still think 150K is a big ask, and would like to see all philanthropy type proposals operate under the streaming infra vrbs teams will be building from prop 582
Thanks for revising and including feedback in this new version. Best of luck!
I'd like to see an explicit plan around sustainability going forward.
Given successful prior outcomes and reasonable budget, this prop seems well worth the investment.
https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/588/votes
FOR 71 VOTES
AGAINST 0 VOTES
ABSTAIN 2 VOTES
Always love to see a second prop that incorporates feedback so well.
The two projects that have been really resonating this week with the Japanese Public Goods Crowd, has been Nouns Shelter and building a school in Uganda. Nouns funds both real-life and Ethereum Public Goods and while I love the Ethereum Public Goods we get more recognition and understanding from the outside world, even those Ethereum pilled but not yet Nouns-pilled when we provide IRL impact.
Coral, Sharon and saving animals is as Nounish as it gets. I appreciate their frequent prop dates and DMs around the progress of the first prop. I believe in this team and what they are doing. They have also smartly surrounded themselves and asked for feedback from Nounish teams like eSports, Quack, Cares and myself.
Being in Asia this week, I'm acutely aware of the timezone differences and how difficult it is to connect with my usual Nouns community. Also of the cultural differences that will mean sometimes, I will never fully fully understand Asian props.
It also bears mentioning, in regards to some of the comments I've heard on Farcaster... just because you don't have a Power Badge and don't get Warpcast visibility or you are on a timezone where the West doesn't see your casts, that is in no way a measure of Nounishness. Doing good in the name of Nouns defines your Nounishness.
Lets go save some animals!
This budget is easier to support than the last iteration, best of luck. I think helping animals is nounish, and I would love to see better coverage of everything.
