It's not obvious to me why we should prioritize the coffee shop from prop #450 over this since there have been significant challenges to get things started and the situation remains a little opaque.

155k USD go a long way in Badung and given the location, local traditions, the beauty of Java and Indonesia's excellent local coffee crops, I'm generally in favor and supportive of this undertaking.

The only reason I'm voting against, is because the team appears to be relatively new to ⌐◨-◨ and I believe the prop will be more developed and feel more cohesive after the team spent more time exploring ⌐◨-◨

For: 2 | Against: 2 | Abstain: 0

+for efficient spend to create significant value. I like the rental model especially — @peterpandam

+against would like to see a smaller proof of work concept such as a pop up event from the team as they have never proposed to the DAO before. — @bixbite

+for this is how prop 450 should have been presented and executed. reasonable cost and risk without being extractive to the DAO. trust in the Nouners assisting some people who are newer to the ecosystem — @wylin

+against since branding unfortunately does not screams nounish (that for me means are playful combination of colors that attract and sparkle curiosity) and vague dao return with low and not justified expected margins strategy to sustain current form does not convinced me — @fattybuthappy

Our team, with over 20 years in hospitality and retail, will ensure a seamless transition of an existing coffee shop into a vibrant Nounish hub.

from /nounsfe: For: 2 | Against: 1 | Abstain: 2

tori: for - +1 on jkm comment however i do not feel that the lack of return of profit is enough to justify an against vote. I do think that it needs to be talked about a little more on how nouns will benefit from this, such as examples of events that could be ran thru the coffee shop or maybe even a nouns branded espresso to be made thru here. I think the reason for my yes comes down to it does not feel like an insane ask for such a sick project that could become a standing staple. Coffee shops are pillars of communities and bring together a ton of people which is what nouns is about. if we turn each brick and mortar spot that nouns sponsors into a way to onboard the general public (maybe like discounts for nouns members or just something idk) just a way to bring people into the web3 space

ashe: +for i'll lowkey vote for on anything food service

jesscas: against, +1 jkm

lunari: abstain - I think the annual purchase of a noun is great :] along with nounish events and goodwill brew. understanding the concerns I'm wondering what it would look like for projects like this to start smaller, get more integrated with the DAO and come with a bigger portfolio after building a bit of a community (similar to how we represented nouns for a few months with prophouse funding, then came back with some more proof of conviction) +1 noundeli, +1 carlos

katalyyst: abstain, +1 carlos

We fully support the idea of brick-and-mortar locations and believe that future proposals should not be flagged by past delayed props. Especially in this scenario, we have a different story here, with the team already securing a proposal location.

Our main concern is that the team needs to spend more time within the community to truly understand the DAO before establishing a physical location to represent it.

Gone are the days of simply slapping ⌐◨-◨ onto a proposal and expecting it to pass are behind us. More effort is needed to create a space/ activations/ proposals that genuinely embodies the ethos and goals of the DAO.

Obviously proliferation is important but our goal is to get this flywheel to spin, without focusing on educating the uninformed about the power of these ⌐◨-◨, we won’t gain momentum. Attracting and inspiring builders should be our goal, showing them what’s possible and educating them on the cool shit that’s been done is how we believe we achieve that.

Therefore, while we appreciate the initiative, we feel that this proposal requires more groundwork to align with the spirit and objectives of the DAO.

Same here — not keen on funding another coffee shop prop until we know how the first turns out.

We’ve already funded one coffee shop that is already offering coffee at crypto conferences like FarCon. I wish this proposal had cited the prop and explained its unique point of view. (I’m always more skeptical when a proposal doesn’t cite prior similar Nouns proposals, because it means they either don’t know about it, don’t want to talk about it, or forgot to discuss it.)

I’m not in favor of funding an additional coffee shop without a very good reason when one is already spinning up.

The bar from a retail perspective has been set.

Is this or can it be a deli success.

At this point. No IMO.

I love a good IRL space for nouns and coffee shops make sense. I also like the brand. I do however share concerns about funding the fit-out of the space and then it not being sustainable. It's not a hell yes for me so I'm going to abstain, because it's also not a hell no. I'd love to see this in action and I hope there's a version of this that I feel comfortable supporting.

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PlayDNA is AGAINST with a 4-0 vote result. See below for our members' votes with reasons:

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eusoujp.eth: I really wanted to vote FOR this proposal, but I'm voting against it for two main reasons: 1) the visuals didn't excite me at all as they look too similar to other places shown in the proposal, and 2) although I trust Voadz and Nero as sponsors, I wish I knew the team running the business better. I suggest reworking the images to make us genuinely want to visit the place, and for the proposers to become more active and known in the community before submitting again. After all, I'm all for Nounspresso in Indonesia and hope to vote FOR it next time!

TheBower.eth: I'm not confident in the execution of this proposal based on the visuals and details shown in the Prop. While I'm for IRL spaces, I wasn't conviced on the impact this shop will generate for Nouns, both locally and globally. I would love to see a better demostration of the execution plans and how this shop can have bigger influence on the Nouns brand.

FabValle.eth: I think the proposal has a lack of strong actions to promote the community. I'm for IRL spaces, but I felt the project is a little bit generic. It would be great to see more of marketing strategies, maybe photos or even a video showing the team effort.

joaoborges.eth: I'm personally a big fan of projects that can help spread the meme and have a positive impact IRL. While I'm voting against, I hope to see this prop evolve, have more clarity on the positive impact for the ecosystem. Love to see more activations like this, especially in places like Indonesia.

Brick and mortar establishments are interesting to me for various reasons. I'd love to see Nounish establishments around the world. These could be effective in becoming a Nounish hub in strategic high traffic areas.

Based on what I could find through the links provided, I'm not convinced this team is well suited to execute on a cafe. The only person with Cafe experience (Rava) links to a cafe instagram account that hasn't been active since April 2023 and ran for less than a year. 12 Reviews look ok, but nothing to inspire confidence.

Not a fan of vague charity initiatives. Which NGOs, shelters, orphanages, and social movements? These initiatives as an afterthought seem like fluff in a prop. Please provide more details or eliminate from the prop.

As someone who started a restaurant/ cafe in a touristy destination, I can admit to blindly trusting revenue projections that weren't well researched. I'm interested in learning more about the market research that went into this. More importantly, what are the projected expenses? I see an estimated operational cost, but no detail on how that was determined.

My restaurant took six months before it could pay its own rent and I was still working unpaid. Does this team have funding to cover runway? If yes, how long?

If not, this could be a very short-lived experiment and turn into a great opportunity for someone to swoop up a recently renovated cafe space.

Another huge omission on this prop is samples. I'm a fan of props doing some of the ground work to show commitment. I would have loved to see a sample menu, even if conceptual or some home photos of menu items you've experimented with.

The projected revenue is 118K The projected operational cost is 102K These spitball figures alone make it a no vote from me.

I'm not really a big fan of nouns themed brick and mortar concepts so going to vote against on this one.

I also don't agree with the idea that buying nouns is the best way to return profit to the dao. You are buying voting power. For this to be a true return of profit you could buy the tokens and immediately burn them.

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/580/votes

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