ProposalsProposal 523
ProposalsProposal 523
For: 15 | Against: 4 | Abstain: 1
+for 🔫 — @brettdrawsstuff
+for — @symbiotech
+for 🔫 — @dystopichippy
+for Probably my fave potential head for awhile, even without the YC link — @robotfishgirl
+for Loved this head from the first moment I saw it. Very fun and nostalgic, and I think the subtle shading fits in well with other heads in the collection like coffee mug, piggy bank, macaroni and more. Also would be really meaningful for Yellow Collective to see Yellow head be graduated via Noundry. — @toadyhawk.eth
+for support Nouns' artists — @jrboots.eth
+against am 100% for more traits and grateful to @brettdrawsstuff for submitting but the design isn not cohesive with the rest of the collection. the barrier to entry for new traits should be low (thank you @coralorca and @volky for /noundry) but the bar for which new traits get be added should be high. — @goldy
+for 🔫💦💦 — @ilustradoraeth
+against conservative with what we allow to enter the contracts, for both code and art — @krel
+abstain so interesting to see the tussle between the ‘cohesion’ and ‘chaos’ camps . respect both views: i can see how this head opens a (mostly empty) design space which can make the collection feel a little less ‘finished’ tho if forced to say we’re too precious or too heterogenous id say the former — @w-g
+against See my vwr. I think squirt gun is a very nounish concept but the style is too distinctive/too many small details etc. — @coralorca
+FOR I absolutley love this concept. I think it is well executed and fun design, would be a blast to animate and maybe turn into a toy one day =) — @bigshotklim
+for Such an awesome trait and love to see designed by a dedicated Nounish artist like @brettdrawsstuff ❤️ more heads, more fun! — @seaks
+for Some slight detail differences from most nouns heads which have a simpler silhouette, I still find it matches the collection in terms of fun and originality. — @sloppy
+for — @dotnouns
+for love this nostalgic vibe. issa super fun and immediately harkens back to good times as a kid This would be an outstanding addition to the nouns collection — @lasagna
+against good turnout here, think this needs to happen but imo should be a variation of the yellow gun 🔫 — @pip
via @zeroweight
didnt think i had so much to say about this until i read mikegood vwr. immediately clear to me he has the most nounish take. i think coral's point about brand referencing (& cc0 licensing as pre-requisite mentioend by 41) make sense as reasons for an against vote, but unsure if downvoting for aesthetic reasons is healthy culturally, in a dynamic quorum governance context. is brett attacking the protocol with 90's vibes?
an alternative would be to abstain and see if the head has enough positive support to make it through (could increase quorum requirement if not satisfied with current limit or have a different dynamic quorum requirement over Noundry submissions). feels odd to say hell no to someone's earnest self-expression.. maybe we can move towards a more optimistic governance norm in future.
just at the practical level imagine if we were faced with 1000 separate trait props/ easier to simply not vote and have a higher threshold and possibly a bit less discouraging idk
I like this head.
I do see the point about extra detail/shadow as has been mentioned, but I think Coral's vote right off the bat was somewhat unfair with the way he cherry picked the flattest and simplest heads to compare with and how that potentially sets the tone. But fair is not what we're doing here, so I digress.
I also find the statement that "the majority of FOR votes right now come from people with an arguably vested interest" to be off base. Yes, Brett has friends in nouns that like his art, but I don't see how anyone voting for this trait would see a financial gain or similar.
And as for the apparent desire to only add traits that are not being used anywhere else already, I understand that, but disagree. Nouns can use external playgrounds to source the best and most popular traits from a wide audience and I think there's potential for traits to be used elsewhere, see demand, then subsequently be added to nouns.
There's apparently a fine line between fun and stuffiness with art and I think we've somehow found ourselves at the intersection. I lean less serious and more fun as I write this.
Stoked to see the noundry process in action, I love the whole notion of noundry and hope it continues to foster amazing pixels from global artists and we can add some to the collection.
Thanks for trying Brett!
Maybe there is a flatter version that would work, but there's a few aspects of pushback for this trait in general as I see it now.
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
I personally like the artwork and love the nostalgia it stands for - thanks Brett!!
I agree with Coral’s take on the build of the head, that it doesn’t sit well on the collar/body.
Also agree with krel’s note on comp!
Voting against for now
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
I get the feedback; but honestly, also doesn't feel like something we should be so serious about. So voting yes out of principle and bc i like to see random art get submitted and not go through weeks of group-think/selection. Let your hair down a little, nouns. have fun- life ain't perfect. Also, <3 brett. Guy is nounish af and here for all the right reasons.
+1 to both mikegood and coralorca, lots of good points on both sides. i resonate with both, but lean more towards coralorca's perspective that traits should match the original, and we should have high standards for adding new traits.
I also agree with mike's point that we don't want to exhaust both voters and artists unnecessarily, and hope we can give more clarity on best practices to artists going forward.
I thought coralorca's feedback on how to design worthy traits (in their opinion at least) was super helpful in this regard. I'd recommend adding a few bulletpoints along those lines to Noundry to set expectations and recommend best practices to artists that plan to propose new traits.
All that said, big fan of Brett as well as the squirt gun head. I respect that those with deep understanding and vision for nouns traits would like to see changes made before adding it to the collection, but am voting yay out of solidarity and respect for making this art and pioneering this process. 🤞 for a v2 that we can all get behind.
The Nouncil has spoken.
We discuss all Nouns proposals every week in our Discord https://discord.gg/fdjJpMeV6K. The calls are public and all are welcome!
You can find previous call recordings here: https://nouncil.notion.site/30328df718424f17a623859018497fc2?v=806b5234a2a34b619c3d5028bcd879f0&pvs=4
For - Wins
FOR - 31 VOTES
benbodhi | "Love the squirt gun"
brettdrawsstuff | "🔫"
mikegood | "+1 MikeGood"
jackwyldes | "Soak Me!"
imwylin | "really fun, high quality art. leans into the “community-owned brand” ethos. easy yes for me"
robotfishgirl | "Probably my favorite potential add so far. It was one of my faves from the first YC head round, and of those, easily the one I think would fit best as an "official" Nouns DAO head. hope to see this pass!"
AGAINST - 6 VOTES
maty.eth | "feels too busy"
benjamin_____ | *"I like the artwork - it's really just one comment made by Coral: the head doesn't sit well on the body.
And, comparing it to other heads, there is an argument that this head has more details which is contrary to the absurd simplicity."*
ABSTAINS - 4 VOTES
The Amigos made a decision: AGAINST.
FOR - 1 VOTES
AGAINST - 6 VOTES
ABSTAINS - 0 VOTES
https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/523/votes
FOR 1 VOTES
AGAINST 56 VOTES
0x9e0e9D25a5ED9bc773f91691f0b45599255257B1 | "Adds limited thematic diversity; more innovative traits could better enhance Nouns' appeal and versatility."
ABSTAINS 1 VOTES
0xE9d94A59799e3faAf115021b53a11398C91e1b41 | "+1 for more community assets and like the squirt gun, but I want clarification if any costs are involved & are artists being compensated?"
I think it looks great, but like many others I agree it just doesn't feel super cohesive with the rest of the traits. Would love to see another prop with a different variant that addresses these concerns!
Love the squirt gun! However, I think Nouns should have OG art that people then use as CC0. I don't like the idea of using art from Yellow Collective or other Sub-communities. But damn the Squirt head rocks!
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
Torn on this one, ultimately agree with Coral & Brennen. With Coral mainly on small aesthetic things, with Brennen on the desired origin of new Nouns heads.
Majority of "For" votes right now come from people with an arguably vested interest. Personally I'd like Nouns heads to be "Nouns Originals" and not be directly affiliated with any sub-organization.
(noun40 voting via agora)
thanks for the prop brett! love you taking the first swing so that props like this can be more normalized. voting abstain since i love the attempt but feel pretty aligned to coral orca’s vwr in that cohesion with the existing art is very important
This is a cool trait, but the mouth isn't a great fit for me. Maybe if it was on the right side of the head.
I get the feedback; but honestly, also doesn't feel like something we should be so serious about. So voting yes out of principle and bc i like to see random art get submitted and not go through weeks of group-think/selection. Let your hair down a little, nouns. have fun- life ain't perfect. Also, <3 brett. Guy is nounish af and here for all the right reasons.
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
*My current thinking is we should reward 1 noun for 1 head trait, and we should only accept new traits where this transaction feels fair. My hope is that cultivating a culture like this would help us ensure quality and cohesiveness over the years w/o having to (only) rely on individual voters carrying the torch.
I'd love to see more new traits added beyond just the once a year 8 that have been added the past two years. Yellow Collective auctions have been more exciting lately to me than nouns auctions due to the fun, new traits. I'd like to see this same excitement brought to Nouns. Starting with this nostalgic addition as well as others (Mr. Boney's pengu next please!).
While I respect the opinions of many of the detractors on this one, and it looks like it may be a done deal, I have to vote with my heart. I’ve loved this noun head from the first moment I saw it. I think it’s very colorful, fun and nostalgic, and it reminds me of amazing summer days spent running around barefoot in the grass with the neighborhood kids, playing with Super Soakers and water balloons. Joy and nostalgia are v nounish to me and this head evokes them.
From a more technical perspective, I think the subtle shading Brett used actually fits in pretty well with many other heads in the collection like coffee mug, piggy bank and macaroni, to name a few.
Thank you Brett for your art, and for being brave enough to be the first one to use the new Noundry proposal tool and put it on trial before the DAO!
Love the squirt gun! However, I think Nouns should have OG art that people then use as CC0. I don't like the idea of using art from Yellow Collective or other Sub-communities. But damn the Squirt head rocks!
+1 Coral & Goldy. Looking forward to voting FOR one of these soon. Would also add that we should require a release from the submitting artist that commits to CC0, since adding a trait that we all assume is CC0 and then artist pursues damages later isn't out of the question. I'll be sending the Foundation's release template to Coral.
personally think the trait is very nounish. I think a good trait should (1) be legible enough for anyone to quickly understand what it is (2) and generally be a symbol for nounish values. A squirt gun to me is something that is symbolic of youthful play, and I feel is plenty nounish.
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
Agree with Coral’s take.
I am 100% for more traits by more artists and am grateful to Brett for submitting their art to Nouns.
The concept of the head is quite nounish imo, but the design is not cohesive with the rest of the collection.
On a general note: I believe the barrier to entry for submitting new traits should be very low –thank you coralorca.eth and volky.eth for their work on studio.noundry.wtf and noundry-gallery.wtf and making it easier than ever to understand what a Nouns trait should be, create one, and submit one to the DAO. This proposal is a celebration of their vision coming to life. But I also believe the bar for accepting new traits to be added should be very high. It is after all, the foundation of the project which the Nouns meme(s) rest on. It should always remain as cohesive, beautiful, absurd, and aspirational as it can, all at once.
Thank you Brett!
I really want more and more Noundry designs coming over to the DAO (and potentially deprecating some), but this one doesn't seem too much "onbrand" imo. It has too many details and we should be a bit "harsh" in the beginning setting clear boundaries on what gets in and what gets out.
Hopping you forget me for voting no on this one Brett, you are doing an amazing job and I really want to see a future proposal similar to this one where we can add another trait to the collection. Thank you so much buddy!
As a Noundry founder, I'm committed to having the DAO incorporate new traits from community artists. However, there's a risk of the collection becoming 'diluted.' Its CC0 nature already pushes Nouns design space to the extreme, so when it comes to onchain pixels, I believe we should stick to the underlying canon as much as possible.
This is why I’m voting against this proposal: I like the design but don’t think it integrates well with the original collection.
There are too many details and small elements, an excess of shadows and not enough connection with the noun's collar - making it look unstable. This contrasts with the original nouns, which are made of simpler, cleaner shapes and sit well on the shoulders.
Also note we probably should avoid mentioning specific brands when submitting cc0 pixels.
Sorry for voting against this time, a big thank you Brett for contributing so many traits to the gallery and for testing the trait-to-candidate flow! It will be interesting to see if the DAO can make curatorial votes.
submitted via Noundry Gallery
This proposal adds a new head trait: Squirt Gun
Showcase Noun
Trait artwork
Circle crop
Palette: 8 colors
Here are some auto-generated combinations of the new part with existing Nouns parts:
The squirt gun is one of the most nostalgic toys for many of us growing up, spending countless summer days with siblings, cousins, and friends having a blast. I personally have many, many vivid memories of running around with my younger brother at my grandparents' house, chasing each other with squirt guns, only to stop to refill them in the pool.
Fun Squirt Gun History In the early 80s, the Super Soaker was accidentally invented by a nuclear engineer who worked for NASA, Dr. Lonnie Johnson. He was working on a new idea for a heat pump, replacing freon with pressurized water vapor. Dr. Johnson hooked up the water pump to his bathroom sink to test it out and a stream of water shot across the room, mistakenly creating the very first Super Soaker prototype out of a pvc pipe and empty soda bottle.
Since first going on sale in 1990, the Super Soaker has netted over $1 billion in sales with hundreds of millions of squirt guns going around the world giving all those kids wonderful memories.
Being one of the most iconic toys in history, the Super Soaker was inducted into the National Toy Hall of Fame in 2015. (National Toy Hall of Fame)
Nouns Head Currently an earlier version of the Squirt Gun head is one of the 55 head traits included in the Yellow Collective and quickly became a crowd favorite and 3 are already in existence.
submitted via Noundry Gallery
This proposal adds a new head trait: Squirt Gun
Showcase Noun
Trait artwork
Circle crop
Palette: 8 colors
Here are some auto-generated combinations of the new part with existing Nouns parts:
The squirt gun is one of the most nostalgic toys for many of us growing up, spending countless summer days with siblings, cousins, and friends having a blast. I personally have many, many vivid memories of running around with my younger brother at my grandparents' house, chasing each other with squirt guns, only to stop to refill them in the pool.
Fun Squirt Gun History In the early 80s, the Super Soaker was accidentally invented by a nuclear engineer who worked for NASA, Dr. Lonnie Johnson. He was working on a new idea for a heat pump, replacing freon with pressurized water vapor. Dr. Johnson hooked up the water pump to his bathroom sink to test it out and a stream of water shot across the room, mistakenly creating the very first Super Soaker prototype out of a pvc pipe and empty soda bottle.
Since first going on sale in 1990, the Super Soaker has netted over $1 billion in sales with hundreds of millions of squirt guns going around the world giving all those kids wonderful memories.
Being one of the most iconic toys in history, the Super Soaker was inducted into the National Toy Hall of Fame in 2015. (National Toy Hall of Fame)
Nouns Head Currently an earlier version of the Squirt Gun head is one of the 55 head traits included in the Yellow Collective and quickly became a crowd favorite and 3 are already in existence.
